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WoW Economy Weekly Wrap-Up: Remote Auction House, Preparing for Battle for Azeroth, Goblin Impacts & Boosted Character Tips
14/04/2018 à 10:17
WoW Economy Weekly Wrap-Up
Welcome to the thirty-fifth edition of the WoW Economy Weekly Wrap-up! In this edition we're taking a look at how the community is preparing for Battle for Azeroth, Blue posts on the Remote Auction House retirement, how markets are impacted by goblins sharing their info and how to get started with gold-making on a freshly boosted 110 character.
If you're new to this series or want to re-visit past posts, you can
check out the previous articles right here on wowhead.com
My name is
and I’m the lead moderator for the
and the accompanying
. I am also the Support Manager & User Evangelist for
, the Auction House addon suite for World of Warcraft. I hope to cover and showcase some of the interesting topics, discussions, content and guides that have been going on over the last week in the gold making community. Some that you might have missed as a veteran gold maker, or you might be interested in checking out for the first time as a new or aspiring ‘goblin’.
The format will not be that of a traditional guide, but links to further reading with commentary and opinions of my own. I will be looking at the bigger picture, the decision making and thought processes in being a gold maker – rather than a step by step instructional list. As the saying goes, “give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”.
Community Manager Ythisens
took the opportunity to further comment and clarify on the developers stance regarding the retirement of the Remote Auction House this week. As I speculated, it boils down to 'more hassle than it's worth'.
As a reminder, the Remove Auction House that is accessible via the mobile Armory app and the Battle.net website will be retired on April 18th - meaning you will no longer be able to interact with the Auction House outside of the game.
The most logical explanation is that costs to keep it updated are not worth the relatively small number who use it.
Basically this. The Web/Mobile Auction had a lot more issues with keeping it up than it was really worth for the small amount of players that actually used it. Trying to tackle and fix those issues (for transparency the majority were just exploits) just takes dev time away from working on new content. While it may change in the future, we currently at this time aren't planning to bring this back.
Because they need to show investors that people are still logging into the game.
If you really, truly believe us deprecating the mobile Auction House, which was used by the tiniest fraction of a single percent of the community, has anything to do with the health of the game, then I don't think we're ever going to be able to see eye to eye on much.
It's unsurprising that the statistics Blizzard have confirm my assumptions, the AH aspect of the app is under-utilised - despite the 'echo chamber' effect from the vocal minority voicing their concerns and disappointments. Ythisens also alludes to the 'exploits' that were taken advantage of against the Remote Auction House. Personally I'm glad that this is mentioned as it will create a fairer environment for players to participate in gold-making.
Ythisens commented again further along the discussion thread with more insight, alluding to the briefly mentioned Auction House 'overhaul':
That's too bad - I was really hoping the AH was going to get an upgrade. It is dated and a very poor interface in the game right now and needs some real work. I find it hard to believe that the AH overall is used by only a small percentage of players, so the excuse to ignore it isn't there - yet they have completely ignored upgrading it for basically the entire life of WoW so far. CRAZY PANTS.
I agree that the in game Auction House definitely needs some updates and Ion touched on this awhile back in a Q&A. While we don't like suggesting addons (as we feel that the default UI should have enough functionality in a perfect world), they were suggested by Ion as a work around in the meantime. I currently don't know of any plans to update the Auction House, but as soon we hear information on any changes, you can be sure we will share it with the community. There was a lot of great feedback in here about the in game UI for it so I really appreciate the discussion about it so I can pass this on.
Any kind of Auction House overhaul will be a monumental task, understandably. Perhaps the developers will tackle it in chunks, updating certain aspects of it in smaller sections - keep in mind the game engine is
old at this point and changes like this can take a long time, I'm sure a lot of you will understand that in the context of the 16-slot default Backpack situation.
We have discussed in the past what players are hoping to see from improvements to the Auction House, including new API data such as sale data, buy/sell orders and a revamped interface.
What will you miss the most about the Remote Auction House if you used it? What would you like to see changed or updated about the in-game Auction House?
Starting off this section acknowledging that there was an Alpha build released late yesterday - so far there has been nothing found regarding Professions or gold-making related topics, but you can
check out the build highlights right here on Wowhead.com
- if there is anything in the build to talk about
I'll be tweeting about it
Let's take a look back at Legion launch, what were goblins doing to make their gold and how were markets evolving in the opening weeks?
/u/sharksandwiches starts a retrospective on the subreddit
Thanks to the order hall army of Legion I'm going into an xpac launch with significant liquid gold for the first time (reupped WoD too late into the garrison game).
I played Legion at launch but was too busy gearing for EN/grinding Suramar shit out on two toons to do anything other than snipe in the evening and gather Foxflower. I'm trying to remember the time-sensitive stuff from a year and a half ago that were huge at launch and have completely disappeared.
Did you have more success doing Obliterum quest bracers, straight farming for mats, 101 flipping, or something entirely different?
I was in a similar position, I wasn't too focused on gold-making during the initial launch of Legion as I was preparing for Emerald Nightmare as a raid Guild Leader, but I know there were lots of interesting things to be done as a goblin in the opening weeks/months of Legion. The dawn of the
market was incredibly profitable, along with the value of materials as everyone left Draenor with the GDP of a small country via Garrison missions.
The first few months of legion were just insane for everything
Obliterating alch stones, herbalism (just lol@the amount of gold farmers raked in on this shit), mining (don't be discouraged by the prices during the first few days/week, that shit just skyrockets during the first weekend and beginning of the second week) and crafting gear with the right stats. Not sure what BFA has in terms of what to farm but I'd imagine we'll see similar patterns of item values (maybe with herbalism not being as lucrative because the first 2 months of legion herbalism were just absurd)
We will see a return of crafted gear with different stat combinations on them, these will be vitally important for players looking to min/max before gaining access to the first raids of Battle for Azeroth. I've said on my stream quite regularly that the 'Big Three' professions in terms of crafting will be Blacksmithing, Leatherworking and Tailoring - these professions will be generating gear that players actually want to equip. You'll be in a good position if you can dive right in to those profession markets early-on.
/u/Phailadork talks about their early shuffles
JC and Alch. You just bought ore and herbs to work with. Prospecting ore usually made you quite a bit more than what it was worth to buy and Alch was definitely a bit harder to abuse but I still managed to make good money through oblits and such. If I had more gold going into the xpac I could've easily abused r3 flasks, more obliterums and just mass prospecting.
It was probably hilariously easy to make millions on millions if you had enough starting capital. I really regret not playing more MoP/WoD. I had 20k to start off with and turned it into my first mil after a bit of work.
Thank you Obliterum and prospecting.
With new additions to the Jewelcrafting like
, shuffling may be even more important and profitable.
/u/Rauvagol touches upon the point that /u/Ilovepickles11212 made quite succinctly
Herbalism herbalism herbalism herbalism herbalism herbalism herbalism herbalism herbalism herbalism SO MUCH HERBALISM
Despite the jokes, gathering materials is going to be very lucrative too - you don't necessarily need any in-depth strategies for Auction House play, you don't
need any Auction House addons (although they will certainly help), and you don't need to participate in the Auction House PvP. You can farm your materials and sell them directly to players in Trade chat. This will be especially useful if you've decided that Battle for Azeroth is going to be where you start focusing on gold-making - building up that initial capital to further invest is very important.
The next step after reviewing the past is to look towards the future, it's the first day of Battle for Azeroth - the launch has arrived. What are the first things to do?
My personal objectives is to level my main character (a Rogue with Engineering and Alchemy) to max level and progress as far as I can in the profession quest lines before moving to another character to begin leveling, then repeat until all characters are leveled and professions are fleshed out. My decision to take a step back from raiding means I can fully focus on the gold-making side of the game to make sure I can help the WoW Economy community on reddit/Discord, and of course here on my weekly blog, while participating in the current markets while they're current. I have a terrible habit of jumping in to these things as markets are already well-established or starting to wind down, an example of this is that I just started selling Legion enchants about two months ago.
Your priorities may be different, and that's fine - there's always time and room to dedicate a bit of your game play to gold-making.
/u/give_me_bewbz describes their planned strategy for launch
I'm gonna level my main, and hit level cap, whilst mining every node that appears on my map.
I'll auction every last drop of that ore, not using any of it for my main's engineering. I'll milk those early days of hyper inflated mats for all they're worth. Then I'll be gearing up for raiding, while continuing to farm while I quest and wait for dungeons. If I run out of quests, and have some gear, I'll swap to an alt, and continue farming and levelling to max.
My priority at the start of an expac is to experience the content, with gold as a secondary aspiration.
If you're out for gold?
Max high-profit professions - alchemy, enchanting, jewellery crafting, and sell your wares to the new raiders
You can check out the
full profession overviews that have been datamined from the Battle for Azeroth Alpha
to get some indication of which professions you may want to focus on.
As I mentioned earlier, this is a great time in the game to consider looking at gold-making. Expansion launches are very profitable for everyone,
/u/StuffMcStuffinton has hopes to strike it rich
Leveling through on my miner/herbalist toon and picking/mining as I go along. Hold onto them for a few days as prices skyrocket (can't recall legion beginning very well but I think it took a couple days for prices to go up as people realized what they could sell things for, someone correct me if I'm wrong please!) While leveling I'll take note if I find any good places for skinning and then come back on my skinner and get some skins and start crafting. Probably do some research from beta information on if there are any good crafting items for obliterating or item gates like there was for the obliterum questline. Then just figure out what is giving me the highest return on time investment and go from there.
Only downside to all of this is I play on a low pop server so things could be interesting as this will be my first xpac start as a goblin and competing against the major players on my server will be a new experience.
Of course, some people may not be able to get in on the action early on unfortunately,
Probably sitting in my office and crying because I have so much work to do when BfA hits :D (IRL not ingame) :D
Whatever your plans are, I have tremendous faith in the server team at Blizzard after the incredibly smooth launch of Legion - no queues, no downtime and no issues with phasing/questing etc. Here's to the people behind-the-scenes ensuring the game is running as expected.
Trusted Goblin and Pet Trader extraordinaire
Vahdis aka RethRethReth on Twitter
shared some of his tips for investments for Battle for Azeroth this week.
Near the end of WoD I made a similar post suggesting what pets to invest in going into Legion, so here is what I believe will be solid pets to hold onto 6 months to a year into Battle for Azeroth. This is NOT a short term investment, so if you're looking for quick flips I'd suggest not buying any of these unless well below regional averages.
For the last couple weeks I've been buying these up to 70% of the region average to help build up a little inventory for myself as some of these are already rare during Legion. To stop from selling them too low too soon I've put them all into a separate TSM group prices at 400% region average, surprisingly I've actually sold a few of them at this high price.
Source: 1% drop of
in the Emerald Nightmare raid. Drops in all difficulties.
Source: Very low droprate from skinning mobs on Argus. These are already a bit pricey and rare while Argus is current content.
Source: 6% droprate from
in Argus. This rare is on a daily lockout and takes a few minutes of farming to summon each time. Worth a decent amount currently.
Source: Rare drop from the Dreamweaver Provisions box from doing the Dreamweavers Emissary.
Source: Crafted by Engineers. Costs 50 Bloods of Sargeras, you can often find these cheaper than the trade-in value of the BoS. The unlearned companion pet version is often cheaper.
Source: Reward from a
Legion Archaeology quest chain
. This quest chain is only available for a 2 week period every 26 weeks making this essentially a holiday pet that will be forgotten when Legion ends.
Source: Rare drop from Argus herbalism nodes. These herbs will have no notable use once Legion ends making it very rare for anyone to bother farming for this pet. Super cheap now so lots of room for profit.
Source: Less than a 1% drop from
in Suramar. Currently these mobs are killed for world quests that will not be completed as often after Legion.
the Fishing Vendor in Dalaran. Requires rep to buy and a fishing currency only obtainable from fishing in Dalaran. NOTE: The companion pet version requires reputation to learn, only buy the battle pet version.
Source: 5% drop from the Legionfall paragon chest for ever 10k rep after exalted. Currently fairly cheap.
Source: Sold from
the fishing vendor in Azsuna. Requires rep. Vendor and fishable currency are on a daily rotation so it is only possible to get this once or twice a week, takes a decent amount of time to get.
TSM shopping search string: p:2121; p:1723; p:2135; i:130167; p:1803; p:1886; i:132519; p:1887; p:2117; p:1719; p:1911; p:2050; p:2077
A TSM group import: p:2121,p:1723,p:2135,130167,p:1803,p:1886,132519,p:1887,p:2117,p:1719,p:1911,p:2050,p:2077
What are your plans for the launch of Battle for Azeroth? Which profession(s) will you be focusing on first? What are you currently investing in?
Something curious happened this week in the WoW Economy community. One trusted goblin revealed a secret method they were using to make gold and I've found it fascinating how quickly the market was impacted as news spread. Here's the original video posted by
The basic premise is that you can use a class-trial Shaman to pick up a recipe for Inscription to produce
- it's important to note that only Shamans can access the recipe, so the crafted glyph was quite rare.
After the video was released, the available quantity on this particular item sky-rocketed across both NA and EU regions as everyone started jumping in to the market.
EU Region Quantity and Market Value for the Glyph, provided by The Undermine Journal
I'm quite sure me featuring this video here will amplify this trend, as more people learn about the market/technique for gold-making.
I'm not really sure how to approach this topic, this is an outstanding example of being a goblin - despite how encouraging that would be to withhold information or even being secretive about it. On the other hand, if you're able to identify a truly unique market with very little competition you may find it in your interests to keep it quiet for as long as possible. Hikons shared this information in the closing months of Legion, after making profits from it for many months.
Having said that, there aren't too many instances of this happening in today's version of WoW - it's not like classic/vanilla where you had to know the secrets, or even know someone who knew the secrets in order to access the most profitable methods of gold-making. The advent of datamining, content creation and the availability of data is normally enough to quickly 'out' any methods of gold-making as people try to be the first to share it, perhaps for views or kudos. Either way, this video definitely took me by surprise this week.
I guess the lesson to take away from this is that you too can find a niche market, it doesn't matter what kind or size of realm you're on. If you're making gold with a strategy that you've identified and have very little competition, you're doing something right as a gold-maker.
Have you ever had a secret market for gold-making? How long did it last? Did you end up sharing it, or did others discover it too?
has started a new series that's very interesting for players who may be brand new to the game and are interested in getting started with gold-making. He takes a boosted 110 character on a new server and starts from nothing. Obviously there is some previous knowledge and familiarity with certain markets but the underlying concepts and how Breg is approaching this series is the important aspect, and what I'm trying to bestow and teach to you dear readers. There are three episodes so far where Breg talks through his decision making, analysing results and discussing his mind set while thinking about gold-making on a freshly boosted 110 character.
Most of this information was discussed and originally posted on the
or in the accompanying
. You can also catch me
streaming live on Twitch
every Tuesday and Saturday from 5PM UK (12 Noon US Eastern) and Thursdays from 12 Noon UK (7AM US Eastern) or Fridays from 9PM UK (4PM US Eastern) answering gold making and TradeSkillMaster questions, or you can tweet your feedback/thoughts via Twitter at
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